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Re: The CIA Solves a Non-Existent Problem

Anonymous — Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:30:15 -0000

"It occurs to me that the CIA might be trying to leverage an existing resource (their web servers)
to disseminate information to only specific visitors
(i.e. Agents in the field)"

I believe the typical way for government agencies to treat sensitive information is to have entirely separate networks for sensitive and non-sensitive information. Most likely, the servers that host the public cia website are not even allowed to be plugged into the same electrical circuit as the servers that host any information used by agents in the field. The forest around the special tree is probably not the reason for this.

Re: The CIA Solves a Non-Existent Problem

tom — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:23:38 -0000

Yeah, I seriously doubt that field agents receive sensitive information from CIA.gov. There are more secure, less obvious ways to disseminate information if the agent's computer can be counted on to run a client-side app (and obviously there are a lot of reasons why an agent would only use a secured agency computer for that sort of thing -- keyloggers and tampering with the certificate authorities being just two).

I suspect this is born of the CIA being used as a pretext for some phishing scams. This approach is pretty much all they can do about it: turn on SSL and issue a press release telling the public to look for the little lock in their browser whenever they think they're visiting cia.gov.

Re: The CIA Solves a Non-Existent Problem

Tim Lee — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:15:34 -0000

But if an agent's Internet connection were under surveillance, just visiting the CIA's website regularly would be enough to arouse suspicion, wouldn't it? I would think it would make more sense to create a totally separate front site--a travel blog, say--and add SSL to that.

Re: The CIA Solves a Non-Existent Problem

Anonymous — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:44:28 -0000

It occurs to me that the CIA might be trying to leverage an existing resource (their web servers)
to disseminate information to only specific visitors
(i.e. Agents in the field)

Well, if only the agents looking for "Important Information" used SSL encryption, that traffic would stand out and identify that something was going on.

Sometimes just knowing the something is happening is almost as valuable as know what specifically is happening.

By using SSL for all connections, it creates a forest around a very special tree.

Security thru obscurity doesn't work by itself, but does have some value as an additional layer.

Re: The CIA Solves a Non-Existent Problem

Tim Lee — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:32:55 -0000

Chuck: That's a good point. I was thinking about a case where someone tricked a user into going to another domain purporting to be the CIA's website, such as cia.com. But I guess this does provide some protections against DNS hijacking.

Also, if I hijacked your DNS to misdirect you to a bogus CIA website, couldn't I just opt not to wrap the connection in SSL at all? The user would, at a minimum, need to be looking for the little lock icon to verify that the connection was encrypted.

In any event, it's not clear to me why anyone would want to hijack the CIA's website.

Re: The CIA Solves a Non-Existent Problem

chuck — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:08:19 -0000

Also, if someone hijacks my provider's DNS server and resolves cia.gov to a different IP address, TLS/SSL will inform me of the signature mismatch, so you're wrong here as well.

Re: The CIA Solves a Non-Existent Problem

chuck — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:07:56 -0000

Also, if someones hijacks my DNS and resolves cia.gov to a different IP address, TLS/SSL will inform me of the signature mismatch, so you're wrong here as well.

Re: The CIA Solves a Non-Existent Problem

Tim — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:10:12 -0000

Thanks for the correction!

Re: The CIA Solves a Non-Existent Problem

Adam — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:59:40 -0000

Actually, an eavesdropper could only tell that you had an SSL connection open with a certain IP address. They could certainly trace the IP to the CIA, but they couldn't tell which URLs you were looking at (the bit of the HTTP request that requests the URL is encrypted within the SSL tunnel).

So this does add a layer of 'Anonymity' that wasn't there before. Of course, the CIA can still tell what you're looking at :-)

Still, it's an odd direction for the CIA to take.