DISQUS

dimitris · 1 year ago

And so I wonder, how many folks would actually agree with Danny Weitzner’s statement that, “I’d rather have a more open Internet at lower speeds than a faster Internet that has all sorts of discrimination built in.” If that’s the trade-off that’s being forced upon us, then I will take the faster Internet, thank you very much.

Obviously it depends on the interpretation of "open", but your automatic preference for speed may be troubling. Have you compared terms of service? For example, Verizon FIOS is fast, however:

You also may not exceed the bandwidth usage limitations that Verizon may establish from time to time for the Service, or use the Service to host any type of server. Violation of this section may result in bandwidth restrictions on your Service or suspension or termination of your Service.

No remote Slingbox for you on FIOS then, but it's OK on (slower) Speakeasy:

Speakeasy believes in the right of the individual to publish information they feel is important to the world via the Internet. Unlike many ISP's, Speakeasy allows customers to run servers (web, mail, etc.) over their Internet connections, use hubs, and share networks in multiple locations.

Oh, and on FIOS, all your data are possibly belong to Verizon:

Content and Data Management by Verizon: We reserve the right to: (a) use, copy, display, store, transmit and reformat data transmitted over our network and to distribute such content to multiple Verizon servers for back-up and maintenance purposes;

Well, at least it's fast(er) :-)

Wes Felter · 1 year ago

Providing "unlimited neutral 7Mbps" costs an ISP $X/month, while providing "unlimited 7Mbps except P2P" costs dramatically less. An alternate way to look at is that for a fixed $Y/month, an ISP can promise more bandwidth if they can prevent customers from using it, or they can provide less but neutral bandwidth. Brett Glass's Lariat is an example of this phenomenon.

I'd rather have a slower neutral network but I know many of my neighbors would not, so I'm not ready to legislate neutrality either.

Ryan Radia · 1 year ago

dimitris, you can do a terabyte a month on FiOS and you won't hear a peep from Verizon. The ToS language you cite is also found in just about every residential ISP contract, but Verizon and AT&T have long had an extremely lenient bandwidth policy. So you can run slingbox with no worries.

Luis · 1 year ago

whawhawha?
First, I think that many supporters of Net neutrality (NN) regulation have been crafting this sort of false choice between openness and bandwidth.

Don't you mean opponents? Going back through this blog alone it'd be easy to find dozens of posts and comments discussing how a NN regime would destroy the god-given capitalist incentives to invest in better bandwidth, so we'd never get fatter pipes. That is who is setting up the dichotomy, not NN advocates.

dimitris · 1 year ago

Ryan,

It's not about the giga/terabytes, at least not primarily. If use is not excessive and/or content is not HD, bandwidth might not even be that high. It's about the non-server policy, and the Slingbox, to be accessible remotely - its key selling point BTW - has to be a "server" under FIOS terms.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that, currently, Verizon may not do anything, even for servers. But how do you know that, in the quest for higher ARPU through some video-on-demand add-on, Verizon won't start enforcing the rules?

Anyway, agreeing to contracts on a nod-wink basis doesn't seem wise - or particularly libertarian, for that matter ;-)

Now, I agree with Wes that there's nothing wrong if one pays for the higher infrastructure costs of neutrality through higher prices/lower bandwidth. However, the persistently ignored elephant in the room is the (lack of) unbundling. If any Verizon can throw DSL competitors off its monopoly-era-sunk-costs infrastructure, arguing about "pricing" of neutrality seems pointless.