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Re: Internet Sales Taxes and Fairness

eee_eff — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:47:03 -0000

I will happily admit to being in favor of lower taxes.

I am in favor of reasonable taxes, and better spending, but I doubt that US tax burden is too high.

But in any case, my preference is to mediate taxes straightforwardly, through democratic and transparent processes. So, with that preface, which democratic body should be able to levy taxes on the internet?

Re: Internet Sales Taxes and Fairness

Tim Lee — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:17:47 -0000

I will happily admit to being in favor of lower taxes.

Re: Internet Sales Taxes and Fairness

eee_eff — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:12:00 -0000

Yes, Tim I am perfectly aware of the mail order exception, which existed prior to the internet.

So, your line of thinking would put all local business a structural disadvantage to those that are out of the area, and would eventually lead to a decline in tax revenues as internet sales increased. To me that is a bug, but to those who want to do away with civic structures, it is a feature.

Just be honest--you would like to make it difficult for governments to tax, as a way of subverting democracy.

Re: Internet Sales Taxes and Fairness

Tim Lee — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:54:51 -0000

EF, if Washington state wanted to tax Amazon's sales to out-of-state individuals, it could.

And this "loophole" wasn't created for the Internet. Mail order companies have never been subject to the sales taxes of the jurisdictions they shipped to.

Re: Internet Sales Taxes and Fairness

eee_eff — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:41:57 -0000

Well, because these businesses use state services. Customers get to brick-and-mortar businesses on state and local roads.

But Tim, then you should believe that if I buy something from Amazon, I should have to pay sales taxes in Washington state, right?

The internet should not be a giant loop hole for corporations or individuals to escape paying taxes, it just transfers power from civic agencies (your local police station, library, or Art Museum) to private capital aggregations, i.e., corporations. We all lose when society is made poorer.

Re: Internet Sales Taxes and Fairness

Don Marti — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:48:48 -0000

(Tim, the "post" button on your preview page seems to be messed up -- it didn't post my comment.)

Re: Internet Sales Taxes and Fairness

Don Marti — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:47:54 -0000

Don't forget "use tax" -- in California and New York (don't know about other states) you're supposed to pay sales taxes on items you mail-order from out of state: "You generally owe California use tax when you use, consume, give away or store tangible personal property (i.e., products you can see, weigh, feel or touch, such as clothing, books, computers, DVDs or CDs) in California that you purchased from an out-of-state vendor."

Re: Internet Sales Taxes and Fairness

Tim Lee — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:10:42 -0000

That's true, I suppose. I would bet that UPS consumes a lot fewer government services per dollar of merchandise delivered than your average brick-and-mortar store, though.

Re: Internet Sales Taxes and Fairness

pjdoland — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:39:40 -0000

As things stand now, we're basically subsidizing UPS.