Hmm. I wouldn't exactly use the FCC's report as evidence, considering that it's been so torn about by the GAO for years as being inaccurate and even the FCC admitted (right as they released this report) that it's totally inaccurate and future reports will include an entirely different system of measuring broadband penetration.
In fact, one FCC commish called the report "stunningly meaningless."
That "duopoly" isn't even really a duopoly in many places. I live in the very heart of silicon valley, and until very recently had no options other than cable broadband. DSL wouldn't serve me (now it does, but at a speed that is less than the new broadband definitions).
And your claims of wireless competition are also misleading. Those wireless connections cannot be used as regular broadband lines thanks to incredibly restrictive terms of service that prevent all but the most basic usage, and many have extremely low usage caps. Not real competition.
As for future wireless competition... considering that the major players in the space are owned by the same companies who own the DSL lines, it's not at all convincing that DSL dominance would accelerate wireless plans. The two nationwide wireless firms that aren't owned by telcos aren't exactly real threats. T-Mobile doesn't have the spectrum necessary to do real broadband and Sprint (which has a ton of spectrum) is going through a bit of an implosion right now, and its chosen technology (WiMax) has serious problems that are finally coming to light.
So, yes, we may eventually have wireless broadband, but it's simply incorrect to claim that it's here now or that it's likely to be here in the near term.
I agree that public pressure and competition can keep companies as good citizens, but your measurement of competition is totally inaccurate.
"Not only has Comcast been slowing down Internet users exchanging files with the BitTorrent protocol, it has been quietly reducing the quality of some high definition television networks it carries as well." ------------------------------------------
Given continued disclosure of yet another corporate "shaping" scheme, at what point do we acknowledge that free market has not reigned in an offending company?
(PS: I am not a Comcast user, so I have no first hand experience with them. I am simply using Comcast as a "Poster Child" to demonstrate that the free market does not immediately correct the malevolent behavior of offending companies.)
Ryan Radia
· 1 year ago
Hance, you are absolutely right that competition can function fairly well even with a duopoly. Cable and DSL are fairly close substitutes for most uses, and a substantial majority of people can get both.
And with Wi-Max just a couple months away from official launch in DC and Chi, and LTE on the not-so-distant horizon, wireless competition may come sooner than we think. Who knows what firms will do with the 700mhz band when analog NTSC stops in 2009?
Plus, the telcos can only service 79% of U.S. homes with DSL, largely due to CO distance limitations. AT&T; would love to offer broadband to such customers, if only an economically feasible option existed. The 700mhz spectrum, for all we know, could be used for broadband, albeit modest, in areas not served by DSL.
200kbps doesn't meet my personal definition of broadband. But 800kbps--sustained throughput, not burst speeds--is broadband, and it's what EVDO Rev A offers. Rev A devices are now available to let PCs browse the web at these speeds. So, while most people still have 2 options, a growing number have 3. Half of Americans are now covered by Rev A.
This is the last gasp of a dying company. It is not a demonstration that this is a new consumer friendly business trend. As a former Sprint customer, I can attest to the onerous business practices of Sprint bitting the hand that feeds it.
The market has spoken. When sprint was making money customer complaints just went into the waste basket. Customers are still beating down the doors to leave and Sprint may not survive. Now that a significant number customers have left, Sprint finally comprehends that they need customers, want to be nice, and are now offering a new plan to attract customers. To bad they didn't comprehend that before.
PS: I am still waiting for Sprint to refund their billing "mistakes" and to apologize for these "mistakes".
Matt S
· 1 year ago
Steve:
I am simply using Comcast as a "Poster Child" to demonstrate that the free market does not immediately correct the malevolent behavior of offending companies.
Traffic shaping is only malevolent behavior from the perspective of the 1% of users taking 50% of the bandwidth. For the other 99%, shaping is beneficial. Don't get caught up in the mock outrage.
One might even call Comcast irresponsible if they don't shape traffic, considering winners and losers.
The free market simply expresses the wishes of consumers. 99% of consumers don't give a damn about traffic shaping and don't consider it malevolent.
Ryan Radia
· 1 year ago
Matt, I'm with you fundamentally, but I prefer not to shape the argument in those terms. The percentages you cite are complete guesswork, and based on the estimates I've read, your figures may be exaggerated in Bittorrent's disfavor.
Here's what we can reasonably conclude: -a small but not insignificant minority of Comcast customers use Bittorrent -Bittorrent consumes a substantial and disproportionate amount of bandwidth -A sizeable portion of torrent traffic is copyright infringement.
Many torrent users who've suffered on the account of Sandvine neither pirate nor consume excessive network resources. On the other hand, as you rightly point out, a large majority of Comcast customers are at this point well served by a network free from P2P-induced congestion.
The broadband market is functioning like it should, and Comcast and other ISPs are experimenting with methods to deal with increasing demand for bandwidth.
Richard Bennett
· 1 year ago
Actually, Ryan, Matt's numbers wildly overstate the size of the user population affected by Comcast's current practice of resetting BitTorrent seeders when the network is highly loaded.
The only people really affected by the current policy are those who create Torrents and do their initial seeding on the Comcast network. Once you've got a torrent going, Comcast customers are able to download it just fine.
I've never seen the numbers on how many people create legal torrents, but my estimate is that it's a really, really small number, like less than a 0.1% of all torrent users, who are probably about 10% of all Internet users. There's just no point in creating a torrent unless you've got a really, really big file to transmit, and if you have one that you came by legally you probably aren't dependent on a residential network for your initial seeding.
So the math problem is: What percentage of Comcast customers create (legal) torrents and seed them from their home connection?
And BTW, I did successfully seed TPW 34 from the Comcast network, just for fun, but it was kinda slow. But BitTorrent doesn't care about slow, it keeps trying until you tell it to give up.
Ryan Radia
· 1 year ago
Richard, I was under the impression that Comcast's TCP resets afflict all seeders who reside in areas where Snadvine has been adctivated. i.e. once you finish downloading a file, then your torrent app switches to seeding mode instead of leeching mode, Sandvine kicks in. Correct me if i'm wrong, but if I'm not, then sandvine affects a good number of torrent users. many might unwittingly seed post-downloading, but back when I used torrents regularly I usually seeded for a while after downloading. it helps share ratio on private torrent communities, plus is a matter of giving back for what you've taken. if nobody seeded beyond the first seeder, torrents wouldn't get very far. anyway, i agree that very few people seed torrents from the beginning, although my wild guess is that 0.1% of torrent users is a bit low, but still admittedly small in the grand scheme of things.
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In fact, one FCC commish called the report "stunningly meaningless."
That "duopoly" isn't even really a duopoly in many places. I live in the very heart of silicon valley, and until very recently had no options other than cable broadband. DSL wouldn't serve me (now it does, but at a speed that is less than the new broadband definitions).
And your claims of wireless competition are also misleading. Those wireless connections cannot be used as regular broadband lines thanks to incredibly restrictive terms of service that prevent all but the most basic usage, and many have extremely low usage caps. Not real competition.
As for future wireless competition... considering that the major players in the space are owned by the same companies who own the DSL lines, it's not at all convincing that DSL dominance would accelerate wireless plans. The two nationwide wireless firms that aren't owned by telcos aren't exactly real threats. T-Mobile doesn't have the spectrum necessary to do real broadband and Sprint (which has a ton of spectrum) is going through a bit of an implosion right now, and its chosen technology (WiMax) has serious problems that are finally coming to light.
So, yes, we may eventually have wireless broadband, but it's simply incorrect to claim that it's here now or that it's likely to be here in the near term.
I agree that public pressure and competition can keep companies as good citizens, but your measurement of competition is totally inaccurate.
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"Not only has Comcast been slowing down Internet users exchanging files with the BitTorrent protocol, it has been quietly reducing the quality of some high definition television networks it carries as well."
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Given continued disclosure of yet another corporate "shaping" scheme, at what point do we acknowledge that free market has not reigned in an offending company?
(PS: I am not a Comcast user, so I have no first hand experience with them. I am simply using Comcast as a "Poster Child" to demonstrate that the free market does not immediately correct the malevolent behavior of offending companies.)
And with Wi-Max just a couple months away from official launch in DC and Chi, and LTE on the not-so-distant horizon, wireless competition may come sooner than we think. Who knows what firms will do with the 700mhz band when analog NTSC stops in 2009?
Plus, the telcos can only service 79% of U.S. homes with DSL, largely due to CO distance limitations. AT&T; would love to offer broadband to such customers, if only an economically feasible option existed. The 700mhz spectrum, for all we know, could be used for broadband, albeit modest, in areas not served by DSL.
200kbps doesn't meet my personal definition of broadband. But 800kbps--sustained throughput, not burst speeds--is broadband, and it's what EVDO Rev A offers. Rev A devices are now available to let PCs browse the web at these speeds. So, while most people still have 2 options, a growing number have 3. Half of Americans are now covered by Rev A.
Also don't forget Sprint's new unlimited voice and data plan. No hidden caps, no usage limitations.
The market has spoken. When sprint was making money customer complaints just went into the waste basket. Customers are still beating down the doors to leave and Sprint may not survive. Now that a significant number customers have left, Sprint finally comprehends that they need customers, want to be nice, and are now offering a new plan to attract customers. To bad they didn't comprehend that before.
PS: I am still waiting for Sprint to refund their billing "mistakes" and to apologize for these "mistakes".
I am simply using Comcast as a "Poster Child" to demonstrate that the free market does not immediately correct the malevolent behavior of offending companies.
Traffic shaping is only malevolent behavior from the perspective of the 1% of users taking 50% of the bandwidth. For the other 99%, shaping is beneficial. Don't get caught up in the mock outrage.
One might even call Comcast irresponsible if they don't shape traffic, considering winners and losers.
The free market simply expresses the wishes of consumers. 99% of consumers don't give a damn about traffic shaping and don't consider it malevolent.
Here's what we can reasonably conclude:
-a small but not insignificant minority of Comcast customers use Bittorrent
-Bittorrent consumes a substantial and disproportionate amount of bandwidth
-A sizeable portion of torrent traffic is copyright infringement.
Many torrent users who've suffered on the account of Sandvine neither pirate nor consume excessive network resources. On the other hand, as you rightly point out, a large majority of Comcast customers are at this point well served by a network free from P2P-induced congestion.
The broadband market is functioning like it should, and Comcast and other ISPs are experimenting with methods to deal with increasing demand for bandwidth.
The only people really affected by the current policy are those who create Torrents and do their initial seeding on the Comcast network. Once you've got a torrent going, Comcast customers are able to download it just fine.
I've never seen the numbers on how many people create legal torrents, but my estimate is that it's a really, really small number, like less than a 0.1% of all torrent users, who are probably about 10% of all Internet users. There's just no point in creating a torrent unless you've got a really, really big file to transmit, and if you have one that you came by legally you probably aren't dependent on a residential network for your initial seeding.
So the math problem is: What percentage of Comcast customers create (legal) torrents and seed them from their home connection?
And BTW, I did successfully seed TPW 34 from the Comcast network, just for fun, but it was kinda slow. But BitTorrent doesn't care about slow, it keeps trying until you tell it to give up.