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Re: A New “Federal Cultural and Social Regulatory Agency”?

BubbaDude — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:58:22 -0000

One of the chief premises of the pro-regulatory NN movement is that free expression on the Internet is under attack, and will most likely wither and die without the regulator's help.

When you tout the Internet's role in facilitating non-economic activities, and criticize McCain for not appreciating it, you're invoking that "sky-is-falling" image, painting a target on your back, and that sort of thing.

Maybe the point is this: I'll stipulate that McCain doesn't appreciate the Internet's social value as well as Obama does.

But given that, I don't see that his tech policy would be any different even if he did appreciate it. Because the non-economic benefits are built on econimic ones. So you protect the pipes, you get free speech. You stifle the pipes, you lose free speech.

These policy statements are all symbolism anyway.

Re: A New “Federal Cultural and Social Regulatory Agency”?

dweinberger — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:26:51 -0000

Richard, I'll hold off on replying about NN in particular because I'm still puzzled about how this post (and the original on which it's based) go from my, um, boisterous claims in my post about McCain's tech policy to thinking that I'm asking for government to regulate the social, cultural and democratic aspects of the Net. Do they think that NN necessarily constitutes regulation of those aspects? Or do they assume that because I think it's important to understand and appreciate those aspects, and because (they think) I like regulation overall, I therefore must be proposing regulation of those aspects? I'm very curious about the line of thought that gets these posters to their conclusion.

I probably should add that their conclusion is false (well, unless they think NN is intended to regulate those aspects). When it comes to enabling free speech and the free, unregulated development of content, services, and applications on the Net, I am a maximalist. Perhaps this is a place where all sides in the debate can find common ground.

In fact, it's that maximalilsm that leads me to support NN, but, again, we probably shouldn't go down that path in this particular forum.

Re: A New “Federal Cultural and Social Regulatory Agency”?

BubbaDude — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:50:22 -0000

Net neutrality is a regulatory program that tends to be justified by its supporters as a protection of free speech and democracy. David. So there's a short path from government policy explicitly aimed at preserving these aspects of the Internet to public ownership and maintenance of the tubes. I know your personal position on NN is more nuanced than that of Free Press and their ilk, but they drive the debate.

Obama's tech policy is a lot more hands-on and meddlesome than McCain's, so there is every reason to believe it will be destructive to the ends that you seek. The best way to protect the Internet's vibrancy is to treat it as an economic entity and refrain from imposing unnecessary regulations on it.

Re: A New “Federal Cultural and Social Regulatory Agency”?

dweinberger — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:20:27 -0000

Sort of a weird reaction to what I wrote. No, I don't want the government to regulate the cultural, social, and democratic aspects of the Net. I didn't say so, imply it, or think so. But I don't want a federal tech policy that regulates and guides the Net (which is what a federal tech policy does to one degree or another) as if the Net's main value were for business, without recognizing the Net's other values. Just think about the missed opportunities for e-gov and e-democracy, beyond the paltry, unimaginative, old timey suggestions in McCain's policy statement.

A president who doesn't recognize the cultural, social and democratic aspects of the Net is missing (imo) a key facet of the 21st century. And that's a reason to worry about a McCain presidency.